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סקופ...תמונות אמיתיות של המנורה וכלי הקודש (משער טיטוס ברומא) 143831
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ניתקלתי אגב בתאור סכמטי של ההיסטוריה היהודית אצל ההיסטוריון הרומי טקיטוס, בו קיימת התייחסות למושפעות מהדת המצרית (הגם שהוא אומר שכשדתם אומרת א' הרי הדת היהודית אומרת במכוון ההפך, לטענתו למטרת הפגנת יחודיות וניבדלות).
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טקיטוס (ומקורות רומים נוספים)
מדובר אגב בגישה שהיום היינו מכנים אנטישמית, ואשר העמידה את יוספוס פלוויוס על "רגליו האחוריות" והיתה בין מניעיו לכתיבת "קדמוניות היהודים".
משה ככהן מיצרי ותל אל רומידה: מיסתורין על גבי מיסתורין 143837
מעניינים גם דבריו של סטרבו, אודות משה ככהן מצרי, שמרד במסורת המצרית, יצר גישה חדש ומהפכנית (בעקבות פרעה אחנאתון שהיציב גישה מונוטאיסטית?) והוציא איתו חלק מהמצרים שהושפעו ממנו ממצרים. ואודות התדרדרות הגישה המוזאית ועליית מגמות עריצות וקנאיות בהמשך (דבר המתיישב גם עם הטפות הנביאים המאוחרים)

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/roman-jews.ht...

-the report most credited, among many things believed
respecting the temple and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, is that the Egyptians were the ancestors of the present Jews. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judea with a large body of people who worshiped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing, the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God, said he, may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. Who, then, of any understanding would venture to form an image of this Deity, resembling anything with which we are conversant? On the contrary, we ought not to carve any images, but to set apart some sacred ground as a shrine worthy of the Deity, and to worship Him without any similitude. He taught that those who made fortunate dreams were to be permitted to sleep in the temple, where they might dream both for themselves and others; that those who practiced temperance and justice, and none else, might expect good, or some gift or sign from the God, from time to time.

By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. He easily obtained possession of it as the spot was not such as to excite jealousy, nor for which there could be any fierce contention; for it is rocky, and, although well supplied with water, it is surrounded by a barren and waterless territory. The space within the city is 60 stadia in circumference, with rock underneath the surface. Instead of arms, he taught that their defense was in their sacred things and the Divinity, for whom he was desirous of finding a settled place, promising to the people to deliver such a kind of worship and religion as should not burden those who adopted it with great expense, nor molest them with so-called divine possessions, nor other absurd practices. Moses thus obtained their good opinion, and established no ordinary kind of government. All the nations around willingly united themselves to him, allured by his discourses and promises.

His successors continued for some time to observe the same conduct, doing justly, and worshipping God with sincerity. Afterwards superstitious persons were appointed to the priesthood, and then tyrants. From superstition arose abstinence from flesh, from the eating of which it is now the custom to refrain, circumcision, cliterodectomy, and other practices which the people observe. The tyrannical government produced robbery; for the rebels plundered both their own and the neighboring countries. Those also who shared in the government seized upon the property of others, and ravaged a large part of Syria and of Phoenicia. Respect, however, was paid to the Acropolis [Zion, or the Temple Mount in Jerusalem]; it was not abhorred as the seat of tyranny, but honoured and venerated as a temple. . . .Such was Moses and his successors; their beginning was good, but they degenerated.

When Judaea openly became subject to a tyrannic government, the first person who -

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