בתשובה להאייל האלמוני, 14/01/07 12:24
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אה? זה חידוש מעניין. יש סימוכין?
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מה חדש? שאחת ממטרותיה המוצהרות של חיזבאללה היא סילוק בכוח של הכיבוש הציוני?
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לא, שהלבנונים בחרו בחיזבאללה.
unity, struggle, unity. 429002
Your emphasis should be on what creates unity among Israelis. We both know what creates unity among Lebanese in the last 25 years, but what are the unities between Israelis when supporting their governments? Is it a religious unity? Is it an economic unity? Is it a fear that all Arabs are just waiting to kill them? What makes you the only one on this thread to declare solidarity with the Lebanese masses?
We should expose all unreal unity; this would be the only way to create a polarization in the Israeli society.

unity, struggle, unity. 429011
לא נראה לי שהארץ הזאת זקוקה לעוד קיטובים מעבר לאלה הקיימים: הציבור כאן מקוטב להפליא גם כך. הבעיה היא שגם בין אלה המכנים את עצמם "שמאלנים" יש רוב גדול של אנשים שעיקר "שמאלניותם" היא האופן שבו הם תופסים את התועלת הבטחונית של ישראל. מה שמטריד אותי במיוחד ביחס למלחמה האחרונה הוא שגם לשיטתם אינני רואה שום היגיון אפשרי בתמיכה בה, כשהייתי סבורה שכל אדם בר דעת יראה מראש שמלחמה זו תביא רק נזק לכולם. ובמיוחד איך אפשר לתמוך בה בדיעבד? נבצר ממני. כל הנימוקים ששמעתי עד היום מדוע צריך היה לצאת למלחמה הזאת נראים לי נימוקים טובים מאוד נגדה.
אגב, גם אם אני היחידה *בפתיל הזה* שהביעה הזדהות עם הלבנונים, הרי אינני היחידה בציבור הכללי שמרגישה גם, ואפילו לא באייל.
oceans, like water, break away from my eyes. 429090
Before I reply to your comment I would like to share with you a story that I was reminded of while reading your other comments on this thread. I once had a conversation with a person who was tortured in the Khiam prison. He was caught trying to bring food into his village while the village was under curfew for more than a mouth (the person was working for the Red Cross). While tutored by the SLA (I would spear you of how he was tortured) who were trained and paid by the Israeli military, Israelis were present, and the prison it self was run by Israeli generals. After being tutored for more than a couple of months he was led into an Israeli helicopter and thrown into the ocean at a close distance to shore. I gauss my point in telling you this story is that in the bigger picture Israeli soldiers are not “forced” into or are “obligated” to perform the fascist orders of the Israeli government. Israelis do have choices; they can refuse orders and save lives.

I would like to only add some thoughts to your latest comments which I feel both of us agree on. The disagreement among Israelis in regard to latest invasion of Lebanon revolves fully around the question of how could the war be “managed better”, or why were so many Israeli soldiers killed. There is nothing in this debate about the more than a thousand Lebanese who died during the invasion, nor there is any mentions of the long occupation of Lebanon by the state of Israel and the condition this occupation gave rise too. In other words, both sides see themselves as part of a collective whose interest is represented by the IDF and the Zionist government. If we want change, if we want to stop the next invasion by state of Israel to god knows where, we need to break this false unity. We need to attack the brainwash thinking that enforces and creates unity between Israelis and their corrupt government, and build and farcify the solidarity between humans.

Yes, there are some Israelis who agree with you, they are however, the rare acceptation in the Israeli society. People like you are allowed to stick around only to propagate the usual mantra that Israel is the “only democracy in the Middle East”. Ideas like the ones that you raise are only tolerated as long as they stay in the realm theory and are kept away from the main-stream news, schools, and universities. Furthermore, when people take the ideas that you wrote about and apply them to reality they are spied on, subjected to harassment, and imprisoned. Almost anyone can declare in Israel to be religious and avoid the army, on the other hand, people who declare that the state of Israel is committing crimes against humanity and therefore would not enlist are put in prison. Settlers (the modern version of the KKK) are allowed to kill and terrorize Palestinian while other people are not allowed to oppose the building of an illegal apartheid wall.


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