בתשובה לmao more then ever, 22/04/07 7:46
חיים בלי מוות 439998
"I would urge you to understand that I’m here to politically agitate. Israelis need to be confronted with an all around conception of political questions. The false unity here and in Israel between people who are objectively represent racism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing, and people who only “nicely” and passively oppose them, is ridicules. I’m not here to “focus”, I’m here to get Israelis off their asses and in to streets, off this website with its endless relative debate of “truth”, and into actively opposing their government. That would never happen if we keep a nonchalant liberal attitude, and only “focus” on theory as if it exists in the abstract with no relationship to action, to reality."

יש שתי בעיות עיקריות עם נסיונות ההמרדה שלך:
1. אתה פונה לקהל דובר עברית שלא בשפתו, וכך יוצר שכבת ניכור בלתי נמנעת ממנו.
2. אתה לא טורח להבהיר איזו פעולה אתה מצפה מקהלך לבצע. היה מעט יותר קונקרטי, חבר, אתה עדיין אבסטרקטי מדי לטעמי. מה זה אומר "להתנגד באופן אקטיבי לממשלה"?
The middle class is not the enemy 440047
Your first criticism of me is valid; I should start writing in Hebrew.

There are a lot of things that I would want Israelis to do, I doubt that I can write all of them here, or that they are possible.

There are a couple of simple things that Israelis can start doing right now. They can refuse to serve in the army. They can devote their Fridays (or any other day) and come demonstrate against the apartheid wall. They can start volunteering in a number of organizations that expose and fight the Israeli occupation. They should disengage themselves from trying to change things through the process of voting (and yes, I know that the Bolsheviks ran candidates to the Doma) and instead should engage in a mass civil disobedience against the government of Israel.

In general, Israelis need to stop seeing themselves as a part of one collective which aims and goals are represented by the Israeli government and army.

I do not have the time right now to have a productive debate. Read the essays that I sent you, they would deepen your understanding of the relations between theory and practice, the need for leaders and a party, and in general give you a better understanding of the science of revolution.

Take care,

The middle class is not the enemy 440115
את כל מה שאתה דוחק בישראלים לעשות יש ישראלים שעושים כבר, כידוע לך. וחוץ מקומץ פלסטינים שזוכים כך לעזרה מעשית או חברתית, לא נראה לי שיש לכך תוצאות מרחיקות לכת. הארגון היחידי היעיל, אולי, הוא מחסום-ווטש, וגם שם יש בעיה בכך שהוא יוצר לכאורה רושם של ''כיבוש נאור'', עוד אוקסימורון נאה במסגרת ''יורים ובוכים''.
united front 440145
I think that what you are raising is extremely important. I agree with the spirit of what you’re saying, I would like, however, to add something.

I don’t think that enough Israelis are fighting the racist acts of the government of Israel. Most simply don’t care and blame the victims, and the so-called Israeli “left” relies on politicians to do the job. I’m not trying to downplay the heroic resistance of the Palestinians, but it’s time for more Israelis who call themselves “leftist” to engage in active resistance against the criminal acts of the state of Israel. History is changed through the acts and action of people in the streets, not through the voting booth.

I do think that “Check-Point watch” is doing something very important. They are not only protecting Palestinians from abusive acts committed by Israeli soldiers, they are exposing the Israeli occupation for what it is, inhuman. Organizations like that and others (Beselem, ISM) are targeted by the Israeli arm forces because they expose the Israeli occupation for what it is. For the Zionist propaganda machine it’s very important to maintain the lie of “Democracy” and “human occupation”, and to hide the devastating affects on Palestinians by the state of Israel. And these organizations contradict that by their very present (I would really recommend you to see the movie “Naker Ahat Mishtay Eyni”).

Obviously, I would rather Israelis engage in civil disobedience as the “anarchist against the well” are doing, but as long as they are doing something, its fine. You see, we need to have a united-front against the racist laws and hegemony of the state of Israel. And while we are doing that, we should have debates and struggles among us what would be the best way to end the occupation, or more fundamentally capitalism. “Peace Now” for example, drives me crazy with their ridicules politics. That, however, does not mean that they are the enemy. The development of ideas under capitalism is unequal, and people will come with different ideas on how to end the occupation. It’s our responsibility to push those people towards better solutions while maintaining unity.


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